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Can the work in a isochoric process be non-zero?

Physics Asked by Sørën on January 18, 2021

I came up with a doubt regarding isochoric irreversible processes.

Question: Is it always true that, for any isochoric process, reversible or not, the work exchanged by the system is zero and the heat exchanged is $Q=Delta U$?

I’m asking this because, in a exercise on thermodynamics trasformations of a gas, there was to be considered an “isochoric irreversible transformation in which the tank containing the gas is thermically isolated and work is done on the gas with a fan of negligible thermal capacity, the gas goes from $T_a$ to $T_b$”.

Now if the tank is isolated $Q$ should be $0$ but that cannot be, since the gas changes its temperature and the process is isochoric. Furthermore it is said that work is done on the system, but the process is isochoric, how can that be?

Nothing else is specified on the trasformation so in my view it can be a case where it does not matter at all how the process is done, as long as $V_{final}=V_{initial}$ the process is isochoric and the total work done on the gas will be zero (maybe some positive and some negative), but still I don’t see how the gas can exchange heat in this case.

So do I have to care about it or, in any isochoric trasformation I can be sure that $W=0$ and $Q=Delta U$?

2 Answers

P-V work is not the only kind of work that can be done on the contents of your system. In the case of your fan example, the fan is doing work on the gas within the container by exerting force on it through a displacement (of the fan blade). The kinetic energy imparted to the gas by the fan is then converted to internal energy by viscous dissipation (a damping effect). So the net effect is that the work done by the fan increases the internal energy of the gas.

In Joule's famous experiment, he ran a paddle wheel inside an insulated container of water, by attaching the paddle wheel to a rope and pulley arrangement, driven by a descending weight. The change in potential energy of the weight was equal to the work that the paddle wheel did on the water (and the change in internal energy of the water). He measured the rise in the water temperature as a result of the viscous dissipation of the mechanical energy. By doing this, he was able to establish the equivalence between the work done in N-m (Joules) and the change in internal energy of the water. And he was thereby able to determine the relationship between the change in internal energy and the temperature rise.

Correct answer by Chet Miller on January 18, 2021

Most text books implicitely assume no work can be done if you don't change the volume. Somehow, they mean the only possible macroscopic interraction with the system (a gas) is done by moving the piston.

Nothing else is specified on the trasformation so in my view it can be a case where it does not matter at all how the process is done, as long as Vfinal=Vinitial the process is isochoric and the total work done on the gas will be zero (maybe some positive and some negative), but still I don't see how the gas can exchange heat in this case.

Beware, this is false however. Some work can be done when the volume is changed in a non reversible way. Example :

  • perform a Joule free expansion by multiplying the volume by 2: no work is done at all
  • get back to the original volume with an adiabatic reversible compression: you do some positive work

This transformation produces work even though it starts and end at the same volume. A true isochoric process needs to keep the volume constant at all time.

Answered by Benoit on January 18, 2021

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