Personal Finance & Money Asked by Lernkurve on March 2, 2021
I’m new to accounting and just started using GnuCash for my personal finances.
Question
As an employee (not a company), how would you enter the following transaction into GnuCash?
Situation
Idea
Create the following accounts in GnuCash
Create the following entries.
1. Me paying my phone bill towards the end of the month.
Personal bank 30
Phone expenses 30
2. Employer paying me at the end of the month
Salary 2030
personal bank 2030
Phone expenses 30
Salary 30
I’m not sure whether that is correct. Should phone expenses perhaps be a debit asset account because that’s money someone owes me and I will get sometime in the future?
Research
There is not one right way. It depends on the level of detail that you need. One way would be:
Create the following accounts:
Personal bank: asset
Phone expense: expense
Reimbursement due from employer: asset
Salary: income
Reimbursements: income
When you pay the phone bill:
Debit phone expense $30
Credit personal bank $30
Debit reimbursement due $30
Credit reimbursement $30
When you are paid with the reimbursement:
Debit personal bank $2030
Credit reimbursement due $30
Credit salary $2000
That is, when you pay the phone bill, you must debit BOTH phone expense to record the expense, and also reimbursements due to record the fact that someone now owes you money.
If it's useful you could add another layer of complexity: When you receive the bill you have a liability, and when you pay it you discharge that liability. Whether that's worth keeping track of depends. I never do for month-to-month bills.
Afterthought:
I see another poster says that your method is incorrect because a reimbursement is not salary. Technically true, though that problem could be fixed by renaming the account to something like "income from employer". The more serious problem I see is that you are reversing the phone expense when you are reimbursed. So at the end of the year you will show total phone expense as $0. This is clearly not correct -- you did have phone expenses, they were just reimbursed. You really are treating the expense account as an asset account -- "phone expenses due to be reimbursed by employer".
Correct answer by Jay on March 2, 2021
I think you're on the right track. Your #2 journal entry is incorrect. It should be
Salary 2000
Personal bank 2000
Phone expenses 30
Personal bank 30
(I usually put the debit entry on top, but I followed your formatting)
I'm assuming your employer uses an accountable reimbursement plan (reimbursing you when you turn in your payment bill/receipts). This is not salary. Reimbursements under the accountable plan in the US are not taxed as income.
If you think about it though, "phone expense" isn't really your phone expense. So, instead of #1 entry, you could make an account receivable, or other current asset account, maybe call it Reimbursables - cellphone, and debit this account, and credit your cash account.
When you receive the $30 back, you will reverse the entries on the day of payment.
If you do it this way, you should be able to see a list of receivables outstanding (I'm not too familiar with GNUCash but I'm sure it has this type of report).
Answered by guest on March 2, 2021
Nope sorry guest you are wrong. how can salary and an expense be on the same side of the ledger?
Salary 2000 Personal bank 2000
Phone expenses 30
Personal bank 30
Answered by Mark Monforti on March 2, 2021
Your debits and credits are perfect.
Now, it comes down to a choice of how you want your accounts organized, financially speaking.
In terms of taxes, it's recommended you keep a separate set of books just like a corporation and account for them strictly according to law.
It's best not to credit phone expenses since it will no longer show on your net reports. A better alternative would be "Phone reimbursement". With that, you can not only see if you've been compensated but also how much you're personally managing these expenses by checking the annual "Phone expense" account.
This is all up to personal preference, but so long as you're properly balancing your accounts, you can introduce any level of resolution you wish. I prefer total resolution when it comes to financial accounting.
Also, it is not good practice to debit away "Salary". The net of this account will be lower and distorted. An expense reimbursement is not salary anyways, so the proper bookings will follow below.
Finally, if GnuCash is calling "Salary" an income account, this is unfortunate. The proper label would be "revenue" since "income" is a net account of expenses from revenue in the income identity.
Entries
With this, your books will become clearer: your cash assets will remain as clear as you had organized them, but now your income statement will provide higher resolution.
1. Me paying my phone bill towards the end of the month.
Personal bank 30 (asset)
Phone expenses 30 (expense)
2. Employer paying me at the end of the month
Salary 2000 (revenue)
Phone reimbursement 30 (revenue)
personal bank 2030 (asset)
Answered by user11865 on March 2, 2021
I think from your point of view those are not phone expenses but rather a kind of loan you make to your employer (so, an asset, as you suggest):
Phone bill payment Dr Cr
Asset:Checking Account 30
Asset:Reimbursments Owed 30
Later your employer pays you back:
Money from Employer Dr Cr
Asset:Reimbursments Owed 30
Asset:Checking Account 30
(See also this answer to a similar question.)
If your phone bill includes personal phone calls, and your employer's bank transfer includes your salary, you can use split transactions as suggested by user11865. Say your phone bill includes $30 of calls you made for your employer and $50 of personal calls, then your payment would look like:
Phone bill payment Dr Cr
Asset:Checking Account 80
Asset:Reimbursments Owed 30
Expenses:Phone 50
And if $2000 of salary is bundled in your employer's deposit, your incoming bank transfer transaction would look like:
Money from Employer Dr Cr
Asset:Reimbursments Owed 30
Income:Salary 2000
Asset:Checking Account 2030
It may seem strange that these $30 of phone calls are never recorded as expenses, but if you think about it, those are not your expenses, they are expenses that your employer incurs in the course of doing business. So in their accounting, their payment to you may look like:
Bank transfer to Lernkurve Dr Cr
Assets:Company Bank Account 2030
Expenses:Salaries 2000
Expenses:Phone 30
Answered by Jérémie Koenig on March 2, 2021
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