Motor Vehicle Maintenance & Repair Asked on June 17, 2021
Vehicle:
2002 Mazda Protégé LX, 2.0L engine, automatic transmission, 240,000 km
Recent Work:
Thermostat replacement
Symptoms:
Tests Done
did a resistance check on the fuel injectors, they were all 40-80 Ohms.
did a resistance check on cables and coils, they are within spec
Question
What causes an intermittent misfire that coats the plugs with oil but then clears itself?
Update #1
Put everything back together intending to go for a test drive, but the engine misfired massively on startup. I shut it down and took the plugs out, and here they are.
Plugs #1 and #4 (extreme left and extreme right) smelled like gas, and they are both fired from the same coil (#2 and #3 are on a separate coil). Although the coil passed the resistance tests, I do find that the lead seems too short to actually reach the plug (#4 sits right under the coil without an actual spark plug cable). I suspect that running like this may have damaged the coil. Thoughts?
Update #2
I needed to get the car out of the garage to put winter tires on my daily driver (surprise! snow outside!). I reassembled everything, started this car up, it misfired massively and stalled. Twice. The third time, I revved it while in park, and the misfire cleared. I drove the vehicle to a nearby parts store (the car drove fine, good power) to get the codes read, it’s the same 2 again: random misfire and warmup catalyst efficiency below threshold. So, what causes a misfire but disappears when you rev the engine briefly.
Update #3
I had rented a fuel pressure tester, but this Mazda’s fuel lines don’t play well with others and I couldn’t get a good seal. I needed a break from staring at this thing, so I put it back together and drove it around the block to park it out front. The battery light comes on occasionally at low(ish) rpms, and clears if you rev it high enough for long enough. Do I have a charging problem? Or a voltage problem?
I've seen this behaviour on a car with a hairline crack in the fuseboard. The result was that sometimes the car would run beautifully and sometimes it would all but die and bog down on the throttle.
This was because the ignition system wasn't always receiving a good strong input power at it's low tension side. Sometimes it was, sometimes it wasn't.
I'm not saying that this is certainly what is wrong with your vehicle but it would certainly be one thing that could explain the behaviour you're seeing.
Answered by Steve Matthews on June 17, 2021
Something wrong in the fuel enrichment for a cold start. Too much fuel during the start and warm up, but in normal operation the mixture is correct and it burns soot from the plugs. The ignition is an" innocent bystander ".
Answered by blacksmith37 on June 17, 2021
You mentioned the coil and leads, but I would inspect the leads for cracks etc. They may test within spec when removed from the car, but when vibrations start or they bend and flex, they could leak voltage. Black plugs - as you know - can be from one or more bad leads.
I would remove the fuel filter and inspect it vigorously...I would shake it and bang it gently to see if there is any sediment. If you see anything at all, replace it. This can cause very intermittent problems, especially black plugs and inconsistent idling, throttling, etc
Answered by Grantly on June 17, 2021
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